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		<title>By: cheri browne</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinarynothing.org/blog/2005/12/bloemfontein-aka-mangaung/comment-page-1/#comment-660</link>
		<dc:creator>cheri browne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi my name is cheri Browne i was born in blomies in 1984 and have never regretted it for a second i am now in England been here nearly 4 years and miss my home town. The sights and people are lovely and welcoming and i will always feel at home when i come visit. love bloem</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi my name is cheri Browne i was born in blomies in 1984 and have never regretted it for a second i am now in England been here nearly 4 years and miss my home town. The sights and people are lovely and welcoming and i will always feel at home when i come visit. love bloem</p>
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		<title>By: Yaron</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinarynothing.org/blog/2005/12/bloemfontein-aka-mangaung/comment-page-1/#comment-564</link>
		<dc:creator>Yaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 13:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jill - Why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jill &#8211; Why?</p>
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		<title>By: Shower Enclosures</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinarynothing.org/blog/2005/12/bloemfontein-aka-mangaung/comment-page-1/#comment-562</link>
		<dc:creator>Shower Enclosures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate BLOEMFONTEIN sorry but i just do 

Jill xx</description>
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<p>Jill xx</p>
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		<title>By: Reuben Tatolo Selele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reuben Tatolo Selele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Exe&quot; houz-it?It&#039;s Mateki from Bloemfontein.I see that people are dissing my city.I want to let them know that 051-City is not a rural place.There is life here at Bloemfontein,and we are proud about it.There was no need to compare it with other cities.We like it the way it is,we don&#039;t really care which monkey from which city says what about Bloemfontein.We have a soccer team of our own city,BLOEMFONTEIN CELTICS a.k.a &quot;Siwelele&quot;.Don&#039;t tell me about &#039;kaap stad&#039;.All you know is drugs,prostitution and crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Exe&quot; houz-it?It&#8217;s Mateki from Bloemfontein.I see that people are dissing my city.I want to let them know that 051-City is not a rural place.There is life here at Bloemfontein,and we are proud about it.There was no need to compare it with other cities.We like it the way it is,we don&#8217;t really care which monkey from which city says what about Bloemfontein.We have a soccer team of our own city,BLOEMFONTEIN CELTICS a.k.a &quot;Siwelele&quot;.Don&#8217;t tell me about &#8216;kaap stad&#8217;.All you know is drugs,prostitution and crime.</p>
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		<title>By: balla</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinarynothing.org/blog/2005/12/bloemfontein-aka-mangaung/comment-page-1/#comment-467</link>
		<dc:creator>balla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i just love BLOEMFONTEIN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just love BLOEMFONTEIN</p>
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		<title>By: Yaron</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinarynothing.org/blog/2005/12/bloemfontein-aka-mangaung/comment-page-1/#comment-455</link>
		<dc:creator>Yaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really have no idea, Petra. I was only visiting for a short while, which is really not the same. The locals I met (at least the ones I talked with) seemed pretty happy with the city, and some of them have lived elsewhere before, but I don&#039;t have any specifics or know how their tastes apply to yours.

Try checking a little on the specific neighborhood you&#039;d live in, there are differences. Also, as a pretty general rule, maybe try to go there for a short visit yourself to get a feeling of the place.

But if you&#039;re just concerned it may be terrible and make you regret going, I think you have nothing to be worried about, as long as you don&#039;t need to have a very large and active/crowded city around you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really have no idea, Petra. I was only visiting for a short while, which is really not the same. The locals I met (at least the ones I talked with) seemed pretty happy with the city, and some of them have lived elsewhere before, but I don&#8217;t have any specifics or know how their tastes apply to yours.</p>
<p>Try checking a little on the specific neighborhood you&#8217;d live in, there are differences. Also, as a pretty general rule, maybe try to go there for a short visit yourself to get a feeling of the place.</p>
<p>But if you&#8217;re just concerned it may be terrible and make you regret going, I think you have nothing to be worried about, as long as you don&#8217;t need to have a very large and active/crowded city around you.</p>
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		<title>By: Petra</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinarynothing.org/blog/2005/12/bloemfontein-aka-mangaung/comment-page-1/#comment-454</link>
		<dc:creator>Petra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would it be like living there? We might be moving there and I have no idea what its like besides what Iv&#039;e just read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would it be like living there? We might be moving there and I have no idea what its like besides what Iv&#8217;e just read.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Jardine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny Jardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I now agree with you 100%.</description>
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		<title>By: Yaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny, on a general level I&#039;m more of a believer in &quot;If you have nothing to say, don&#039;t say it&quot; than in &quot;If you have nothing good to say, don&#039;t say it&quot;.

In this specific case, well, I did like Bloemfontein, and the people I did meet there, very much. Originally I planned to cover some of the places I&#039;ve been to, and the things I saw, more deeply in future posts. I just haven&#039;t counted on my laziness, which caused me to only have this single post that was supposed to be a sort of an introduction-overview.
Which sort of explains why it does seem to have less good parts than others, because I plan on covering the good parts again later in more details, and not the other parts.

Still, given that it&#039;s not overall a bad piece even as-is, I don&#039;t intend to edit it. Especially considering that the only acceptable editing will be to expand on the good parts, and if I do that, I might as well do it in future posts as intended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny, on a general level I&#8217;m more of a believer in &quot;If you have nothing to say, don&#8217;t say it&quot; than in &quot;If you have nothing good to say, don&#8217;t say it&quot;.</p>
<p>In this specific case, well, I did like Bloemfontein, and the people I did meet there, very much. Originally I planned to cover some of the places I&#8217;ve been to, and the things I saw, more deeply in future posts. I just haven&#8217;t counted on my laziness, which caused me to only have this single post that was supposed to be a sort of an introduction-overview.<br />
Which sort of explains why it does seem to have less good parts than others, because I plan on covering the good parts again later in more details, and not the other parts.</p>
<p>Still, given that it&#8217;s not overall a bad piece even as-is, I don&#8217;t intend to edit it. Especially considering that the only acceptable editing will be to expand on the good parts, and if I do that, I might as well do it in future posts as intended.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Jardine</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinarynothing.org/blog/2005/12/bloemfontein-aka-mangaung/comment-page-1/#comment-442</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny Jardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 02:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes we work together. It is always best to keep it to yourself if you have nothing good to say about anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes we work together. It is always best to keep it to yourself if you have nothing good to say about anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Yaron</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinarynothing.org/blog/2005/12/bloemfontein-aka-mangaung/comment-page-1/#comment-438</link>
		<dc:creator>Yaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chesley, as far as I understand Afrikaans has mostly evolved from Dutch, as spoken by the immigrants. Over time obviously it took a lot of words from other local languages, but it doesn&#039;t seem like it was an actual language there before Dutch-speaking people arrived. If you have sources claiming otherwise, I&#039;d be interested to know what they are.

Jenny, thank you for your comments and the information.

As I wrote, the opinions about the hospital, and the coloured townships, came from several of the white people I talked with. I did not visit the hospital, but rather just saw it from the outside. And my pass through/near the squatter camps was in a car, we did not stop to talk to people. The area did look very neglected and run-down, but I had no way to judge for myself the behaviour of the people toward strangers. I do not know whether you received kind treatment because the people there are nice to anyone, or because they are nice to anyone except some of the white people.

No need to get too excited about the hospital, though. I&#039;ve travelled a little myself, and though I usually have little reason to stay in hospitals I can tell you that the quality varies a lot, and all places have both very bad, and very good hospitals. But to be honest, when you don&#039;t say that the hospital is good, but that it&#039;s good &quot;for a government/provincial hospital&quot;, well, that does say something about it. There&#039;s a difference between something being absolutely good, and something just being good compared to its class.

BTW, I&#039;m curious, are the two of you together? The two comments came within about 15 minutes of each other, and from the same IP address...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chesley, as far as I understand Afrikaans has mostly evolved from Dutch, as spoken by the immigrants. Over time obviously it took a lot of words from other local languages, but it doesn&#8217;t seem like it was an actual language there before Dutch-speaking people arrived. If you have sources claiming otherwise, I&#8217;d be interested to know what they are.</p>
<p>Jenny, thank you for your comments and the information.</p>
<p>As I wrote, the opinions about the hospital, and the coloured townships, came from several of the white people I talked with. I did not visit the hospital, but rather just saw it from the outside. And my pass through/near the squatter camps was in a car, we did not stop to talk to people. The area did look very neglected and run-down, but I had no way to judge for myself the behaviour of the people toward strangers. I do not know whether you received kind treatment because the people there are nice to anyone, or because they are nice to anyone except some of the white people.</p>
<p>No need to get too excited about the hospital, though. I&#8217;ve travelled a little myself, and though I usually have little reason to stay in hospitals I can tell you that the quality varies a lot, and all places have both very bad, and very good hospitals. But to be honest, when you don&#8217;t say that the hospital is good, but that it&#8217;s good &quot;for a government/provincial hospital&quot;, well, that does say something about it. There&#8217;s a difference between something being absolutely good, and something just being good compared to its class.</p>
<p>BTW, I&#8217;m curious, are the two of you together? The two comments came within about 15 minutes of each other, and from the same IP address&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Jardine</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinarynothing.org/blog/2005/12/bloemfontein-aka-mangaung/comment-page-1/#comment-437</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny Jardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an Indian person staying in the Coloured township called Heidedal, Bloemfontein . There is nothing wrong with the black townships or squatter camps. Whenever I went there, I received royal treatment. I never felt that I was in danger. Such a comment you made is pure discrimination. The Sesotho people is the warmest most loving people on earth. About the Hospital...hmmm...Let me tell you mister! It is is called Pelonomi Hospital. For a government/PROVINCIAL Hospital the service is excellent and outstanding. Overseas you will never find good service as you yourself found in South Africa. I went to the US, Europe and the UK. Everywhere the service is nothing to brag about. Anyone who has travelled there will agree. I have never expected that kind of behaviour from people in &quot;so called FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES&quot;. Many people flee from their FIRST WORLD countries to come and stay here and take advantage of our Hospitality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an Indian person staying in the Coloured township called Heidedal, Bloemfontein . There is nothing wrong with the black townships or squatter camps. Whenever I went there, I received royal treatment. I never felt that I was in danger. Such a comment you made is pure discrimination. The Sesotho people is the warmest most loving people on earth. About the Hospital&#8230;hmmm&#8230;Let me tell you mister! It is is called Pelonomi Hospital. For a government/PROVINCIAL Hospital the service is excellent and outstanding. Overseas you will never find good service as you yourself found in South Africa. I went to the US, Europe and the UK. Everywhere the service is nothing to brag about. Anyone who has travelled there will agree. I have never expected that kind of behaviour from people in &quot;so called FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES&quot;. Many people flee from their FIRST WORLD countries to come and stay here and take advantage of our Hospitality.</p>
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		<title>By: Chesley Taai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chesley Taai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CORRECTION  - Afrikaans is the Original language of the coloured (brown, san , khoi and cape malay) people of South Africa. The whites who arrived here only spoke Dutch or English. Afrikaans originated amongst different ethnic groups (SLAVES) in the Cape at around 1654.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CORRECTION  &#8211; Afrikaans is the Original language of the coloured (brown, san , khoi and cape malay) people of South Africa. The whites who arrived here only spoke Dutch or English. Afrikaans originated amongst different ethnic groups (SLAVES) in the Cape at around 1654.</p>
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		<title>By: Yaron</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinarynothing.org/blog/2005/12/bloemfontein-aka-mangaung/comment-page-1/#comment-390</link>
		<dc:creator>Yaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alett,

Thanks for your comment, and for the Naval Hill name explanation. Sorry for not being around to respond sooner.

I did enjoy the city of Bloemfontein when I was there. Some parts looked less impressive, like in any city, but many parts were very nice, and so were the people.

Enjoy your home visit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alett,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment, and for the Naval Hill name explanation. Sorry for not being around to respond sooner.</p>
<p>I did enjoy the city of Bloemfontein when I was there. Some parts looked less impressive, like in any city, but many parts were very nice, and so were the people.</p>
<p>Enjoy your home visit.</p>
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		<title>By: Alett McKenzie</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinarynothing.org/blog/2005/12/bloemfontein-aka-mangaung/comment-page-1/#comment-387</link>
		<dc:creator>Alett McKenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 02:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! Something positive about Bloemfonten ... it is about time! I&#039;m on my way to Bloemforntein for a well deserved, eight month stay with my parents. 

Although it is true that Mangaung refers to the municipality, (rumour has it that the city name will be changed eventually) I found your comments in general very accurate. And yes, as someone else stated on this blog, Afrikaans is not spoken purely by whites. However the statement does not hold true for Bloemfontein. Fact is: Afrikaans is spoken by the majority of white people living in Bloemfontein, as you have experienced from your travel.

Naval Hill was named after the 2 British Naval fleet canons left behind after the Anglo-Boer war 1899 to 1902. It is the only game reserve in a city centre to be known in South Africa. 

There is also Maselspoort Pleasure Resort and State President Swart Park and Kings Park with its more than 4 000 rose bushes, and visiting the Rose Festival in October is well worth your time.

And then there is the &quot;new&quot; Loch Logan,  Bloemfontein&#039;s own waterfront. I hear the new development is looking spectacular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! Something positive about Bloemfonten &#8230; it is about time! I&#8217;m on my way to Bloemforntein for a well deserved, eight month stay with my parents. </p>
<p>Although it is true that Mangaung refers to the municipality, (rumour has it that the city name will be changed eventually) I found your comments in general very accurate. And yes, as someone else stated on this blog, Afrikaans is not spoken purely by whites. However the statement does not hold true for Bloemfontein. Fact is: Afrikaans is spoken by the majority of white people living in Bloemfontein, as you have experienced from your travel.</p>
<p>Naval Hill was named after the 2 British Naval fleet canons left behind after the Anglo-Boer war 1899 to 1902. It is the only game reserve in a city centre to be known in South Africa. </p>
<p>There is also Maselspoort Pleasure Resort and State President Swart Park and Kings Park with its more than 4 000 rose bushes, and visiting the Rose Festival in October is well worth your time.</p>
<p>And then there is the &#8220;new&#8221; Loch Logan,  Bloemfontein&#8217;s own waterfront. I hear the new development is looking spectacular.</p>
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